You were DF'd? Married an UB? Interesting. So you took some time off for bad behavior like me. I didn't get DF'd, did the whole confession thing when I came back, what a mistake. I take it you already were a thinker. Congrats. stay clear of the Hall, better off without it. All the best.
Wasanelder Once
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Intro and Thoughts
by ThinkerBelle ini've been lurking on the board for almost a year now and i think i'm ready to come out of hiding (although, i'm so nervous as i type this).
i'm not ready to share everything about my story, but the basics are that i'm a born-in, elder's kid, baptized as a teenager because i was tired of hearing people ask me "all your friends are baptized, when are you going to get baptized?
", married an unbeliever (was df, but came back shortly after) and we have two kids.
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Follow up to Crazyguys rant.
by Crazyguy inwant to thank everyone that's posted on the other thread the advise is much appreciated and i will look at all the ideas before i proceed.
i wanted to talk about the advise concerning stopping my kids from going to meetings and or stopping the jw's from studying with my kids.
first a little background on my situation.. im still married and still living with my wife.
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Wasanelder Once
Tell them that you will study with your kids. Pick a book and do it, maybe the kids book. Let them answer questions other than the ones in the book. "Have you ever seen someone walk on water?" "How do you think he did that?" "People don't really come back from the dead. Have you ever seen "some dead relative" back? Its a story isn't it?
You never know, might get them thinking.
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The origin of the name and masthead illustration of The Watchtower
by Gorbatchov inthanks to the great "watchtower history" blog with historical information about the pre- and early bible students years, i became today aware of the origine of the name the watchtower and the masthead illustration in front of the old magazines.. in c.t.
russell's younger days, his mother and other relatives died and were buried on the family plot at the allegheny cemetery.. it must have been a defining moment voor the young ctr.
look at his inspiration to choose the name and masthead of his magazine.
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Give Jehovah Only 6 Months!
by naazira inmain question: what do you think would happen if jehovah's witnesses stayed away from the watchtower organization for 6 months?
instead of "us" staying in their world for 6 months.
personally, i think they would be like the amish youth on rumspringa- many to never return.. i came across a thread here, where the poster said that their parents told them to give jehovah's org 6 months.
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Ray Franz was an Idiot
by vinman inray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.
i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?
in search of christian freedom?
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I said "I like turtles" because this whole subject is a waste of time. Fighting on the net is like a slap fight between two blind people. So, again I say.... I like Turtles. nuff said. -
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Why doesn't Jesus appear to you ?
by opusdei1972 inthe new testament tells us stories about miracles, people speaking in different languages by the holy spirit, jesus appearing to many of his disciples.
but, why this was only a first century phenomenom???.
here some reasoning: http://godisimaginary.com/i15.htm.
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Ray Franz was an Idiot
by vinman inray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.
i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?
in search of christian freedom?
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What has the Watchtower reading material done to YOU?
by The Rebel inthe reason i ask is because i realise i couldn't go on reading watchtower material.
i have discovered it did something to my mind no other literature has done to me before.
it had turned me in to a person without a heart, or soul, and made me in humane and distant from other humans who didn't share the w.t world view.. i now feel ashamed of my childish behaviour, and i have learnt :-.
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There is no intellectual honesty or generous attitude in WT literature. It promotes mass destruction and self righteousness. I too, saw only what they told me to see. Condescension substituted for personal interest. Self promotion subbed for humility. It was one big Stockholm syndrome publishing hell. I cannot stand to even look at the pictures these days. Even they speak volumes about manipulation. -
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Crazyguy is going batshit crazy a Rant
by Crazyguy inyesterday some jw's came over to my house and were even being nice to me, most of the time if they do come by an elder or ms may say something but the others will not, its even hard for them to say just hello (how pathetic).
( they also do this behind my back as if i don't know).
i now realize by not being their i've handed my kids right over to them!.
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Sorry Crazy but I don't remember your situation. Married? Separated? Custody issues? Fader? not DF'd obviously. When they are with you and you are able to, steer them to the real world.
I am at a disadvantage not having kids, but for what its worth I would start taking them on field trips to museums and art galleries in order to show them there is a world of knowledge and beauty out there. Natural history museums would have examples of fossils and would make for a natural topic for discussion. A museum beats the boredom of a stuffy Kingdom hell any day.
Find habitat for humanity and have them help you work on a project for an "evil" worldly person so they can see that they actually do care about each other.
Just wanted to share what I would do in that situation. If you can make them miss meetings at all that is GOLD!
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Helen Keller is not a hero
by StopTheTears infew realize just how wicked some of the most revered people in history were.
helen keeler (1880 to 1968) was a wolf in sheep's clothing, no hero.
keller was a communist.
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Hey bonehead, Helen Keller did NOT develop finger spelling for the deaf. It was around a LONG time before she was born. In fact that is what Annie Sullivan used to teach her how to communicate, she had to feel the letters.
Having deaf family I find this sort of ignorance to be a blight on so many fine people. Notice the facts about finger spelling:
"By 1720, the British manual alphabet had found more or less its present form.[30] Descendants of this alphabet have been used by deaf communities (or at least in classrooms) in former British colonies India, Australia, New Zealand, Uganda and South Africa, as well as the republics and provinces of the former Yugoslavia, Grand Cayman Island in the Caribbean, Indonesia, Norway, Germany and the USA."
Helen Keller leaned towards socialism because of her desire for fair play for blind people and people with disabilities in general. We know how well capitalism takes care of them. Its only the socialist aspects of societies, even "capitalistic" ones, who take care of the disabled. Give a great lady a break. Satanist? My ass.
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